Dhamma with Ajahn Sujin

Paro (Bhutan) A. Sujin: For example the color or that which is seen now, right now, it's real, it has arisen, otherwise how could it appear, but no one understands this characteristic as a dhamma, a kind of dhamma. And not just the reality that can be seen, what about that which sees? Different reality, because the reality which cannot experience or know anything, like sound, hardness, all these are realities which cannot experience anything. So what we take for I or living being, like animal or no matter in what plane, there must be another reality which experiences or knows whatever appears, and the Pali uses the term rupa for any reality which cannot experience anything, like sound, smell, taste, touch. They cannot experience, so the Buddha used the term rupa dhamma. If there was only just rupa, by conditions, the world would not be like this, but the world of dukkha is the moment of experiencing an object, not understanding its nature as it just arises and falls away. So t